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but let me just say, john kerry, defense, bad idea. who you need in defense is someone who knows his or her way around the defense budget because there's going to be pain there. they're going to have to cut things. john kerry isn't that guy. he'd make a great secretary of state. the great thing about having panetta there is that he's an old budget guy. >> hey, i don't think panetta's leaving -- by the way, panetta's not in a hurry to leave. >> right. >> you know, he's not going to stay four years. i wouldn't be surprised if he stays almost all of the 2013 calendar year. >> here's the biggest difference between leon panetta and myself, i am very anxious to leave. >> i know you are. >> you're always anxious to leave. to take a nap. >> by the way, i have to root for alabama. this is like the hardest 40 whatever we're going to have, 35 days. to end up rooting for alabama. >> that was one of the greatest college games of all time. >> it was a fantastic game. >> and i have a real hook in for bcs tickets, chuck, if you want to talk to me late
but let me just say, john kerry, defense, bad idea. who you need in defense is someone who knows his or her way around the defense budget because there's going to be pain there. they're going to have to cut things. john kerry isn't that guy. he'd make a great secretary of state. the great thing about having panetta there is that he's an old budget guy. >> hey, i don't think panetta's leaving -- by the way, panetta's not in a hurry to leave. >> right. >> you know, he's not...
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john kerry, on the other hand, would be easily confirmable. you see the senators are encouraging president obama to nominate him. senator kerry also has a lot of world stature, has relationships with many world leaders. he's seen as someone who could help build on those relationships to further foreign policy and also senator kerry also, as chairman of the foreign relations committee, very popular chairman, has a lot of diplomatic experience. president obama has used him you know out of a quasi unofficial envoy to go and talk to leader in trouble spots like afghanistan, pakistan, and syria at one point. on the negative side, senator kerry's not seen as someone who is as close and enjoys the same close relationship with president obama that embassy rice does. he's not seen as being in that inner circle. and that's a problem former secretary colin powell had. >> he may have gotten closer since he was the stand-in for mitt romney during the president's practice debate. >> they spent a lot of time together. >> some people are suggesting this doesn
john kerry, on the other hand, would be easily confirmable. you see the senators are encouraging president obama to nominate him. senator kerry also has a lot of world stature, has relationships with many world leaders. he's seen as someone who could help build on those relationships to further foreign policy and also senator kerry also, as chairman of the foreign relations committee, very popular chairman, has a lot of diplomatic experience. president obama has used him you know out of a quasi...
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when john mccain lost or john kerry lost they had day jobs to go back to on the hill so thermometer automatically and instantly involved in the debate pep isn't but not showing any inclinton acceleration to be even though we're in a crisis at this moment, particularly the republican party is crying out for some sort of leadership to have somebody to move people along to a compromise. he conceivably could be that man but he seems to be very much looking intern fiscally. >> it's a small sliver of people alive that can understand exactly what the governor is going through now. but certainly not within the heightened style of election process that we go through now. one romney adviser compared romney with al gore's weight gain and beard after the election saying that most likely will not be happening in terms of letting his discipline go about his lifestyle. however, is it more a choice of romney not be involved with the republican party sore at any time fact that the roeb party has pretty much given him the heisman and pushed him away because of the comments he made since the election, doubling down
when john mccain lost or john kerry lost they had day jobs to go back to on the hill so thermometer automatically and instantly involved in the debate pep isn't but not showing any inclinton acceleration to be even though we're in a crisis at this moment, particularly the republican party is crying out for some sort of leadership to have somebody to move people along to a compromise. he conceivably could be that man but he seems to be very much looking intern fiscally. >> it's a small...
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john kerry tried everything he could on the senate floor to show republicans the way to vote for this treaty. >> it really isn't controversial. what this treaty says is very simple. it just says that you can't discriminate against the disabled. it says that other countries have to do what we did 22 years ago when we set the example for the world and passed the americans with disabilities act. >> the treaty was supported by organizations representing people with disabilities and veterans groups but that was not good enough for 38 republicans. it was supported by senator john mccain, himself a disabled veteran. >> bob dole has been our leader on the issue of disabilities from the moment he stepped foot into the chamber. to bob, it is unthinkable that americans could not get over a curb or enter a school building or even watch a debate in this chamber if they were in a wheelchair. >> but that was not good enough for 38 of john mccain's republican colleagues, including his usual ally, lindsay graham. treaties take years to negotiate before they come to a vote. this treaty, though signed b
john kerry tried everything he could on the senate floor to show republicans the way to vote for this treaty. >> it really isn't controversial. what this treaty says is very simple. it just says that you can't discriminate against the disabled. it says that other countries have to do what we did 22 years ago when we set the example for the world and passed the americans with disabilities act. >> the treaty was supported by organizations representing people with disabilities and...
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. >> cenk: one thing they want john kerry because they want that seat to open up in the senate to put scott brown in there, as well. >> cenk: that's a great point that's why they call him epic. >> i hadn't thought of that, it was a great point. all of a sudden, the next day we see this on another network. >> now that there's aningling of a chance that a is not seat might open up in massachusetts for scott brown to run for guess who's doing all of the dirty work to make sure that senate seat opens up? tadaa. >> are you going to sue her? >> she actually called and said can i go for it and i said yes. joe biden went to costco today. really, one of my favorite political stories of the year. went in, had his cart and there's great pictures of biden here going through. he bought cookies children's books, a big apple pie fire logs. how does he need fire logs, isn't somebody getting him the fire logs. the favorite part, though, he didn't purchase a set of tires when asked, he said man, i don't drive anymore. >> cenk: my understanding is he takes am tram from time to time. i heard that he got
. >> cenk: one thing they want john kerry because they want that seat to open up in the senate to put scott brown in there, as well. >> cenk: that's a great point that's why they call him epic. >> i hadn't thought of that, it was a great point. all of a sudden, the next day we see this on another network. >> now that there's aningling of a chance that a is not seat might open up in massachusetts for scott brown to run for guess who's doing all of the dirty work to make...
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john kerry is not going to do that. he was against the gulf war, he was for the iraq war before he was against it, and he wanted to withdraw from afghanistan sooner than 2013. along those lines he's got a track record that sort of diminishes defense capability as opposed to building it up. we can't afford that. >> who would you like to see on this? >> i'm not in a position to make that kind of nomination. drastically different perspective than these two, and another piece on these they're differential to international institutions, u.n., criminal courts, that i think that diminishes american democracy and i have the clear eye of the world in the we pave and susan rice, intervention, but not in the threats of the world that are most threating to the united states. >> alisyn: you're of course with veterans of america. >> thanks for having me. >> dave: tax rates are lower now than under president reagan. our next guest says missing the point. >> alisyn: and what would you do on capitol hill or flip over it, literally? wow.
john kerry is not going to do that. he was against the gulf war, he was for the iraq war before he was against it, and he wanted to withdraw from afghanistan sooner than 2013. along those lines he's got a track record that sort of diminishes defense capability as opposed to building it up. we can't afford that. >> who would you like to see on this? >> i'm not in a position to make that kind of nomination. drastically different perspective than these two, and another piece on these...
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consider that john kerry only won 47% of the vote there in 2004. guess where obama was this year? 61.7%. >> i challenge anybody to find another county with that dramatic of an uptick, that size of a county. speaking of counties, the bellwether presidential -- now the state with the longest streak is ohio. missouri lost its standing a couple of cycles ago. ohio, every winning election back to '64 if that's correct, right? '60 was the last time they were wrong. >> if anyone has been to terre haute, indiana, they have successfully predicted the winner of every presidential election back to 1956 and guess what the total was this year? it's one of the first counties to report votes on election night, too, 19,712 for obama. 19,349 for romney. >> so it overperformed -- or underperformed for the president? >> but uncanny accuracy in prediction. >> one thing i took away from the swing states versus the nonswing states which i think is something republicans ought to be aware, where the democrats can implement their get out the vote, this is, i believe -- even in losing elections they have o
consider that john kerry only won 47% of the vote there in 2004. guess where obama was this year? 61.7%. >> i challenge anybody to find another county with that dramatic of an uptick, that size of a county. speaking of counties, the bellwether presidential -- now the state with the longest streak is ohio. missouri lost its standing a couple of cycles ago. ohio, every winning election back to '64 if that's correct, right? '60 was the last time they were wrong. >> if anyone has been...
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one last thing about votes, john kerry out there making an impassed plea for disability rights backed up by bob dole. >> this treaty and our participation in it, and this is the most important can improve the quality of life for people with disabilities, because to join it is to keep faith with the men and women who have suffered griefous disability in defense of our nation and we owe them nothing less. please don't let captain brizenski down, senator dole down, the senate and the country down. approve that treat. >> i. >> senator dole gravely ill comes in in a wheelchair. >> it didn't pass, john kerry called it the saddest day he remembers in his 28 year career as a senator. >> bob dole in a wheelchair, zero sympathy. >> it's really a shame. they say it was a challenge to sovereignty, it was a terrible, terrible vote. >> cenk: thank you michael. >> when we come back, we've got 100,000 people marching on the egyptian presidential palace. we've got chemical weapons in syria. in iran, did they have a couple of our drones? we'll talk about that. >> the iranians brought down what they cal
one last thing about votes, john kerry out there making an impassed plea for disability rights backed up by bob dole. >> this treaty and our participation in it, and this is the most important can improve the quality of life for people with disabilities, because to join it is to keep faith with the men and women who have suffered griefous disability in defense of our nation and we owe them nothing less. please don't let captain brizenski down, senator dole down, the senate and the country...
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. >> i think they would like john kerry there would be a senate seat. and a scott brown who did about 15 points better in massachusetts. with a fund raiser recognition to get the seat back from gop. >> we do not want to lose the fact what happened in benghazi when we lost power pole in bay area as chris stevens. but you do not think that it is about susan rice? >> they are instead focusing on what one person said five days after the attack that is the bottom. venom michael, thank you for your analysis. -- and the city of san francisco is providing reinforcements. the city of san francisco provided reinforcements.. at least one flood prone here you can see a d- p-w worker... carting in a load of sandbags on the 21- hundred block of folsom. crews laid down several layers of the bags.. storm drains have backed up in this area during sudden downpours on more than one occasion. the last time just this spring. >> for us, it is not as strong as we thought but they each seem to be significant and the each look to pack a significant punch. >> it did not rained d
. >> i think they would like john kerry there would be a senate seat. and a scott brown who did about 15 points better in massachusetts. with a fund raiser recognition to get the seat back from gop. >> we do not want to lose the fact what happened in benghazi when we lost power pole in bay area as chris stevens. but you do not think that it is about susan rice? >> they are instead focusing on what one person said five days after the attack that is the bottom. venom michael,...
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and is a former aide to john kerry told politico that kerry and george w. bush never spoke to one another after john kerry conceded the election. joining me now, pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc analyst eugene erickson. and we have all -- i won't speak for you. i have -- i have more than once, i think, said we will keep in touch, let's keep in touch, to someone i did not then keep in touch with. i don't think i've ever been as phony about it, though, as these two guys today promising to stay in touch with each other after lunch. >> yeah. it was probably -- i've heard some people say the most awkward conversation mitt romney has had since his last conversation. you know, for what it's worth, like, i don't think that either of them really want to stay in touch. i mean, the whole thing was a sill symbolic gesture and i think we can say it is a classy move to do this. it is something that is -- it's -- even if it's purely symbolic, sometimes we need the symbolism. sometimes we need to say, especially after thanksgiving, when
and is a former aide to john kerry told politico that kerry and george w. bush never spoke to one another after john kerry conceded the election. joining me now, pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc analyst eugene erickson. and we have all -- i won't speak for you. i have -- i have more than once, i think, said we will keep in touch, let's keep in touch, to someone i did not then keep in touch with. i don't think i've ever been as phony about it,...
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senator john kerry two men who also happen to both be veterans it just shows that you can't discriminate against the disable it. it says that other countries have to do what we did twenty two years ago when we set the example for the world and passed the americans with disabilities act i would remind my colleagues that virtually every major veterans organization in america. people who represent those men and women who have fought. and particularly. try to assist those with disabilities that are result of combat. well another veteran eighty nine year old former senator and presidential candidate bob dole was wheeled on the floor by his wife coming straight from the hospital don't also wrote a letter which senator mccain read aloud also urging the ratification of this treaty it needed sixty six votes or two thirds majority and it only got sixty one votes why you might wonder would anyone vote against a treaty that urges people to not discriminate against disabled people some of them who by the way became disabled fighting for this country in iraq or afghanistan well a theory started circul
senator john kerry two men who also happen to both be veterans it just shows that you can't discriminate against the disable it. it says that other countries have to do what we did twenty two years ago when we set the example for the world and passed the americans with disabilities act i would remind my colleagues that virtually every major veterans organization in america. people who represent those men and women who have fought. and particularly. try to assist those with disabilities that are...
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there's growing speculation he'll run if john kerry steps down to take an obama cabinet position. >>> another day, another republican jumping ship from grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. this time it's new york congressman chris gibson who said that because of redistricting, he figures the pledge only applies to the area he was serving before. >>> and this was the photo op of the day. of course, vice president joe biden, he was shopping at the new costco in washington, d.c. he munched on some cookie samples, bought children's books, a tv set and apple pie. >>> remember this guy? the one who vowed to keep his romney/ryan campaign tattoo dispute the election results? reality has apparently caught up with him, and it's coming off soon. and that's your dish of "scrambled politics." >>> another day of fiscal cliff drama. stocks reversed early gains and fell shortly after house speaker john boehner dashed hopes that lawmakers were getting closer to agreeing on a year-end budget deal. but all three major markets did bounce back by the afternoon. >>> economic data was positive thursday,
there's growing speculation he'll run if john kerry steps down to take an obama cabinet position. >>> another day, another republican jumping ship from grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge. this time it's new york congressman chris gibson who said that because of redistricting, he figures the pledge only applies to the area he was serving before. >>> and this was the photo op of the day. of course, vice president joe biden, he was shopping at the new costco in washington,...
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it's an issue because in 2004 george bush won the presidency over john kerry on this issue. it's still an issue for gay republicans. if you think that it's not a civil right, if you think that in the last election that this issue was not debated, it was debated heatedly. when you take away a civil right, then you're taking away people's equality. when you give them a civil right, you're giving them equality. that's the difference. the republicans don't see it that way. they have to figure out a way -- they talk about a big tent and talk is nice but it means nothing unless you put it in your party platform. it means nothing when you say, i think you should have everything i have just not call it the same thing. separate but equal is not okay for the democrats and it's not okay for the republicans. until rubio around those people that are contenders for 2016 on the republican side get that through their thick heads, saying his faith teaches him that, does he understand that it's just as mortal of a sin according to the bible, according to leviticus, that if you eat shellfish y
it's an issue because in 2004 george bush won the presidency over john kerry on this issue. it's still an issue for gay republicans. if you think that it's not a civil right, if you think that in the last election that this issue was not debated, it was debated heatedly. when you take away a civil right, then you're taking away people's equality. when you give them a civil right, you're giving them equality. that's the difference. the republicans don't see it that way. they have to figure out a...
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bush, john kerry. they talked on the phone about healing and they never talked again. and kerry served on the senate. i mean -- okay, but let's imagine. i'm just going to go with will and look upon this as glass half full. what if, roland -- what if mr. obama could find something for romney to do and romney agreed to do it? >> yeah. white house usher. there's a lot of jobs mitt romney could do for the president. look, first of all, if we're going to do this lunch don't do it at the white house. the president should have taken mitt romney to ben's chili bowl, get a half smoked and he could meet the 47%. i have no problems with it but i certainly think for mitt romney it's going to be one heck of a lunch, having to see the president sit there and smile at him and say you know i kicked your behind. you know i did, didn't you? i think there is a role for individuals who run for president of the united states in terms of still operating in the public space. because, again, we need all ideas on the table. so i'm sure the president, he's got a whole bunch of stuff he could as
bush, john kerry. they talked on the phone about healing and they never talked again. and kerry served on the senate. i mean -- okay, but let's imagine. i'm just going to go with will and look upon this as glass half full. what if, roland -- what if mr. obama could find something for romney to do and romney agreed to do it? >> yeah. white house usher. there's a lot of jobs mitt romney could do for the president. look, first of all, if we're going to do this lunch don't do it at the white...
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and john kerry was leading it on the floor with john mccain. it was one of those bipartisan coalitions of veterans, wounded veterans, mccain and others, and the wounded warriors. the chamber of commerce. this is basically to take the american standard that bush 41 passed. it was his bill. >> george bush. >> george bush 41's bill spread it to the rest of the world. his son, george w., approved this treaty. it was sent up by president obama in '09, the senate foreign relations committee passed it easily, and then these republicans abandoned it on the floor. people are crying on the senate floor. >> john mccain gave such a passionate speech. so you have, mike barnicle, american hero, war veteran, john mccain, talking about how we help the disabled across the world with weeping american heroes who were wounded in war, watching. you have the standard set by one republican president. the treaty drawn up by another republican president, george w. bush. and voted down with bob dole yet another american hero, war hero, watching. i'm actually dumbfounded
and john kerry was leading it on the floor with john mccain. it was one of those bipartisan coalitions of veterans, wounded veterans, mccain and others, and the wounded warriors. the chamber of commerce. this is basically to take the american standard that bush 41 passed. it was his bill. >> george bush. >> george bush 41's bill spread it to the rest of the world. his son, george w., approved this treaty. it was sent up by president obama in '09, the senate foreign relations...
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finally, josh kerry is the other -- john kerry is the other possible main candidate for secretary of state. your thoughts on him? >> threw away his war medals, called his fellow soldiers in vietnam war criminals and then during a debate in 2004 said the united states should not use force internationally without getting the approval of everybody else. that's not somebody i want to see as secretary of state. megyn: who do you like? >> hard to think. megyn: [laughter] >> carl levin, very experienced man. megyn: we'll leave it at that. >> leave it at that. megyn: general, great to see you. all the best, sir. >>> coming up, the senate homeland security committee holding a hearing, we will speak with one of the senators in on that hearing. >>> plus a woman on trial accused of befriending and killing a lottery winner. >>> and new technology offering parents a window to their child's future. we'll show you how you can figure out if your baby is at risk of becoming obese. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare, now is a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a
finally, josh kerry is the other -- john kerry is the other possible main candidate for secretary of state. your thoughts on him? >> threw away his war medals, called his fellow soldiers in vietnam war criminals and then during a debate in 2004 said the united states should not use force internationally without getting the approval of everybody else. that's not somebody i want to see as secretary of state. megyn: who do you like? >> hard to think. megyn: [laughter] >> carl...
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some obscure issue, john mccain and john kerry actually agreed on and held a joint news conference and little back and forth needling of the other. here's john kerry when he finishes his remarks and calls on senator mccain. >> senator mccain -- >> thank you very much mr. secretary. [ laughter ] >> bill: talking state? >> thank you very much, mr. president. [ laughter ] >> this is what happens when you get two losers up here, folks. [ laughter ] we're just having fun. >> bill: good comeback on john kerry's part. >> mccain didn't think that was so funny. >> bill: all right. we've got lots to cover. john boehner actually out yesterday with a counterproposal on the fiscal cliff but how serious is it? really? we'll get into that and a whole lot more. but first -- >> this is the "full court press." >> other headlines making news, the new york city homeless man who was in that photo that went viral last week where a police officer brought him a pair of shoes on a cold night was found by "the new york times" yesterday not wearing those brand new boots. 54-year-old jeffrey hillman said he was i
some obscure issue, john mccain and john kerry actually agreed on and held a joint news conference and little back and forth needling of the other. here's john kerry when he finishes his remarks and calls on senator mccain. >> senator mccain -- >> thank you very much mr. secretary. [ laughter ] >> bill: talking state? >> thank you very much, mr. president. [ laughter ] >> this is what happens when you get two losers up here, folks. [ laughter ] we're just having...
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but, you know, john mccain still had his senate seat and john kerry still was in the senate so there's still players in washington. you're looking at mitt romney, he didn't carry new hampshire, massachusetts, or california, his home states. there is no such thing as a romney republican anymore. they're a dwindling tribe. he doesn't have any power. he's coming today, obama looked good because he was showing a reaching out, the winner sticking out his hand and shows a spirit of bipartisanship he's trying to create through the gridlock. >> matt, are they still stunned? i watch this from 7:00 in the morning until i go to bed at midnight. i thought the election was much more pro-obama in the results than i expect. won a strong victory, a solid mandate. are they stunned by that? >> yeah, in some respects they are and trying to grapple with what happened and how their expectations got so high and how they felt -- >> stu stevens right now think tonight we're trying to figure that out. are they still going to the tea leaves? what happened here? >> there's a bit of that. romney, himself, the dat
but, you know, john mccain still had his senate seat and john kerry still was in the senate so there's still players in washington. you're looking at mitt romney, he didn't carry new hampshire, massachusetts, or california, his home states. there is no such thing as a romney republican anymore. they're a dwindling tribe. he doesn't have any power. he's coming today, obama looked good because he was showing a reaching out, the winner sticking out his hand and shows a spirit of bipartisanship...
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and if you look at this, for president obama versus john kerry, again looking at this through '04 and the 12 lens the president did the same thing. topped him by five points in the industrial metropolis counties and increased the campus centers by a point in those counties. in fact, it was not a surprise. according to the director of the patchwork nation project he was on the show back in july and here is what he said about where the election would be won and lost. >> i can tell you right now with a pretty good degree of certainty how nine of the types are going to go in the fall. i mean, i know which ones are going to go democratic and republican. it isn't complicated. there are a couple -- but it is about the margins and whether or not you can paear a couple poins off the worker centers or if romney can take a couple points off. some tend to swing a little more. >> well, here they are. here's the three areas he was talking about. boom towns, service workers centers which are older, poorer, and rural, and the mondey suburbs. romney under performed and obama over performed in boom tow
and if you look at this, for president obama versus john kerry, again looking at this through '04 and the 12 lens the president did the same thing. topped him by five points in the industrial metropolis counties and increased the campus centers by a point in those counties. in fact, it was not a surprise. according to the director of the patchwork nation project he was on the show back in july and here is what he said about where the election would be won and lost. >> i can tell you right...
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. >>> john kerry is firing at santorum orr a treaty. they rejected the ratification of the treaty on tuesday despite appearance on the floor by former majority leader bob dole in his wheelchair all in an effort to draw support. santorum explained the opposition in a piece published in "the daily beast" saying in part, let me yoquote, our natio has been the worldwide leader. we should be telling nato and not the other way how to have dignity. senator kerry said santorum doesn't know what he's talking about. >> i have great respect for both rick and his wife karen and their daughter and their family. he is a strong family man. but he either simply hasn't read the treaty or doesn't understand it or he was just not factual in what he said because the united nations has absolutely zero, zero, i mean, zero ability to order or to tell or to even -- i mean, they can suggest but they have no legal capacity to tell the united states to do anything under this treaty. nothing. >> senator kerry referring there to santorum's daughter bella born with
. >>> john kerry is firing at santorum orr a treaty. they rejected the ratification of the treaty on tuesday despite appearance on the floor by former majority leader bob dole in his wheelchair all in an effort to draw support. santorum explained the opposition in a piece published in "the daily beast" saying in part, let me yoquote, our natio has been the worldwide leader. we should be telling nato and not the other way how to have dignity. senator kerry said santorum...
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kerry to john edwards, all of them, they all played for their plan with this simple phrase, "rolling back the bush tax cuts." they've been doing it for eight years. so politically, that's why the president has to draw that line in the sand. >> he draws that line in the sand, but harold ford, what happens when republicans, at least a small number of them, go ahead and raise taxes on the top 2% and then turn to the white house and say, okay. now we'll move. and then they have to talk about how they're going to slash spending in medicare, to save medicare, how they'll have to slash spending in medicaid to save medicaid. their political problem on the other side of this tax debate is so much bigger than the republican problem. they're being too clever by half here. >> both sides have complicated hands. and if the democrats, we achieve what the president and some democrats in the senate are asking for in a narrow way around taxes, you're absolutely right. just as an aside on the bush era, this is the first time we didn't go to war where we didn't pay for it. some of the things the democra
kerry to john edwards, all of them, they all played for their plan with this simple phrase, "rolling back the bush tax cuts." they've been doing it for eight years. so politically, that's why the president has to draw that line in the sand. >> he draws that line in the sand, but harold ford, what happens when republicans, at least a small number of them, go ahead and raise taxes on the top 2% and then turn to the white house and say, okay. now we'll move. and then they have to...
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john kerry has been campaigning hard for it. he's done everything this administration has asked in their first term. overseas, been quite engaged as chairman of the foreign relations committee. so he's certainly a very strong candidate. but at this point, even people close to the president suggest there's just a bit of a question mark about how much of a fight he wants and how much it will come down to getting somebody he believes in and he's close to into that job. >> congressman cleaver, your thoughts on susan rice as a potential nominee. >> well, i think susan rice is imminently qualified and capable of being secretary of state. my only concern is political, and it is that the president uses up so much of his good will as he begins his second term that it does not last long enough for him to get through some of the major initiatives that we all hope will be brought forth like an energy policy. there are some -- there are dangers either way, if he goes with kerry, there is a political concern about the seat in massachusetts. s
john kerry has been campaigning hard for it. he's done everything this administration has asked in their first term. overseas, been quite engaged as chairman of the foreign relations committee. so he's certainly a very strong candidate. but at this point, even people close to the president suggest there's just a bit of a question mark about how much of a fight he wants and how much it will come down to getting somebody he believes in and he's close to into that job. >> congressman...